It was said without full knowledge. We have spent time with him Ellison since, to talk about the SOA framework and he has more insight into what it is. We have been able to settle comments about how the architecture is not quite right. He said Siebel's architecture is compatible with the Fusion direction. He will be more specific about the role it will play. He Ellison has a better handle on what Nexus is today than at OpenWorld.