The first day we got down here, I said, 'The numbers are against you, but you still need to approach it like you're going out there to try and make this team.' I just want him to have fun. I don't know what teams are looking for a catcher. Certain teams, if we try to get him through waivers, there's teams that may want to go with the young guys and might take a chance on him. It's unfortunate he had those couple years where he was injured.